Comments on: Tweaks to Debt Shuffling http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/ On social money and running BillMonk.com Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:58:13 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Kumar http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-36401 Kumar Mon, 22 Dec 2008 01:49:50 +0000 http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-36401 I think the previous way of shuffling debt was much better. It would be great if I could tweak the shuffling a bit - I know that it will be far more convenient to give/take money from somebody. I suggest, that we can do one (or many of the following): 1) Give an option to use one of the multiple ways to shuffle. 2) Shuffle in multiple ways and show how things will look like in each of the shuffle and let me choose one. 3) Allow me to tweak the shuffling by letting me specify that I am most comfortable dealing with this guy. I think the previous way of shuffling debt was much better. It would be great if I could tweak the shuffling a bit – I know that it will be far more convenient to give/take money from somebody.

I suggest, that we can do one (or many of the following):

1) Give an option to use one of the multiple ways to shuffle.
2) Shuffle in multiple ways and show how things will look like in each of the shuffle and let me choose one.
3) Allow me to tweak the shuffling by letting me specify that I am most comfortable dealing with this guy.

]]> By: twobrain http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-36340 twobrain Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:11:45 +0000 http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-36340 billmonk servers are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slowwwwwwww billmonk servers are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo slowwwwwwww

]]> By: Autarkic http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-36324 Autarkic Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:20:50 +0000 http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-36324 Somehow i missed the point. Probably lost in translation :) Anyway ... nice blog to visit. cheers, Autarkic. Somehow i missed the point. Probably lost in translation :) Anyway … nice blog to visit.

cheers, Autarkic.

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]]> By: Karthik http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-36284 Karthik Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:08:05 +0000 http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-36284 Internal error! We were unable to save this transaction. Please contact us. I get this error when i try to shuffle debt or create a new shared bill. Once I get this error it won't let me complete the transaction for couple of days... and the error disappears. And then one fine day it starts appearing. what's going on here? It's really fursturating when you can't submit a bill right when you wanted to.. and you forget to put the bill in. isn't that the whole point? Internal error! We were unable to save this transaction. Please contact us.

I get this error when i try to shuffle debt or create a new shared bill. Once I get this error it won’t let me complete the transaction for couple of days… and the error disappears. And then one fine day it starts appearing. what’s going on here? It’s really fursturating when you can’t submit a bill right when you wanted to.. and you forget to put the bill in. isn’t that the whole point?

]]> By: Kristoffer Lawson http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-36275 Kristoffer Lawson Thu, 13 Mar 2008 10:11:12 +0000 http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-36275 Robin, I'm not sure if BillMonk has become stagnated recently, but our own service, Scred.com does exactly what you want. In fact, it does it all the time inside so-called pools (groups of friends). It's my honest belief that pools are a much easier concept and way to deal with this, instead of debt shuffling. Plus we do a pretty good job with foreign currencies and currency exchange, and have a real mobile application for offline use ... ;-> Robin, I’m not sure if BillMonk has become stagnated recently, but our own service, Scred.com does exactly what you want. In fact, it does it all the time inside so-called pools (groups of friends). It’s my honest belief that pools are a much easier concept and way to deal with this, instead of debt shuffling.

Plus we do a pretty good job with foreign currencies and currency exchange, and have a real mobile application for offline use … ;->

]]> By: Robin http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-32754 Robin Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:28:57 +0000 http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-32754 Great new feature. I like it a lot (although not all my colleagues agree with me :p). However, to reduce the number of transactions in a whole group to the absolute minimum I now have to ask all my colleagues to try a shuffle until nobody can shuffle anything anymore. It would be a very nice addition if, within a group, everything can be shuffled until no more shuffles are possible without the hassle of everybody going through the flow once or multiple times. Great new feature. I like it a lot (although not all my colleagues agree with me :p). However, to reduce the number of transactions in a whole group to the absolute minimum I now have to ask all my colleagues to try a shuffle until nobody can shuffle anything anymore. It would be a very nice addition if, within a group, everything can be shuffled until no more shuffles are possible without the hassle of everybody going through the flow once or multiple times.

]]> By: Josh Haberman (BillMonk) http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-30532 Josh Haberman (BillMonk) Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:46:34 +0000 http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-30532 Hey Luke, We made the decision not to create new "owe" edges, because we thought it would be confusing if you suddenly owed money to someone you never owed before. On the other hand, once you created the 5 cent debt, it should have done what you expected. I just tried this as your account (but did not save), and it did the right thing. Try again, and make sure to put all three people in the shuffle! Cheers, Josh Hey Luke,

We made the decision not to create new “owe” edges, because we thought it would be confusing if you suddenly owed money to someone you never owed before. On the other hand, once you created the 5 cent debt, it should have done what you expected. I just tried this as your account (but did not save), and it did the right thing. Try again, and make sure to put all three people in the shuffle!

Cheers,
Josh

]]> By: Luke Hoersten http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-30525 Luke Hoersten Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:41:25 +0000 http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-30525 I owed a friend, Immanuel, $3.18 and another friend, Phil, owed me $3.18. They are also both friends on BillMonk. I thought doing a graph reduce would just make a new "owe" edge between them and remove me (the middle man) from the graph completely. This did not happen though so we tried making it so Phil also owed Immanuel $.05 but again, that did not work. If I owe a friend and a friend owes me the same amount, and they are also both friends, couldn't the graph reduce just remove me from the graph? I owed a friend, Immanuel, $3.18 and another friend, Phil, owed me $3.18. They are also both friends on BillMonk. I thought doing a graph reduce would just make a new “owe” edge between them and remove me (the middle man) from the graph completely. This did not happen though so we tried making it so Phil also owed Immanuel $.05 but again, that did not work.

If I owe a friend and a friend owes me the same amount, and they are also both friends, couldn’t the graph reduce just remove me from the graph?

]]> By: Kyle http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-30499 Kyle Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:40:06 +0000 http://billmonk.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/tweaks-to-debt-shuffling/#comment-30499 I suspect you're going to ban me from the comments section soon. Someone else just ran a debt shuffle with a different set of friends than my one test earlier, someone who owed me $9 went to owing me $200. While this is much improved from the $2,000 that was moving around in the previous algorithm, I still don't think this feature is one that I'll be using all that often. Kudos to getting it working though, I do like the site and the work you guys put in to it. I'll keep paying attention to the blog and when you provide the dropdown to remove redundant debt that exists in a cycle of users, I'll be in here to comment again I'm sure ;) I suspect you’re going to ban me from the comments section soon. Someone else just ran a debt shuffle with a different set of friends than my one test earlier, someone who owed me $9 went to owing me $200. While this is much improved from the $2,000 that was moving around in the previous algorithm, I still don’t think this feature is one that I’ll be using all that often. Kudos to getting it working though, I do like the site and the work you guys put in to it.

I’ll keep paying attention to the blog and when you provide the dropdown to remove redundant debt that exists in a cycle of users, I’ll be in here to comment again I’m sure ;)

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